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by phillybudd
Jan 24, 2011 6:33 pm
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: MC as Antagonist - any examples please?
Replies: 13
Views: 27331

Re: MC as Antagonist - any examples please?

After all this talk about "Double Indemnity" I had to dig it out and watch it...I got the honeysuckle line wrong: "I could still remember the smell of honeysuckle all along that street. How could I have known that murder can sometimes smell like honeysuckle."
by phillybudd
Jan 23, 2011 11:46 am
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: MC as Antagonist - any examples please?
Replies: 13
Views: 27331

Re: MC as Antagonist - any examples please?

Hi Nigel, I think you might be forgetting that Protagonist and Antagonist are structural roles -- who is the good guy and who is the bad guy isn't relevant to their definition as Protagonist and Antagonist. As you know the MC is the character from whose perspective the story is being told, whether o...
by phillybudd
Jan 15, 2011 9:40 am
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: Overall Story characteristics??
Replies: 5
Views: 4342

Re: Overall Story characteristics??

Now I got it. Thanks!
by phillybudd
Jan 14, 2011 12:52 pm
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: Overall Story characteristics??
Replies: 5
Views: 4342

Re: Overall Story characteristics??

OK, I'm almost with you.

I guess what is unclear to me is which of the characteristics (motivation, etc) are subjective and which are objective? Or is that up to me?
by phillybudd
Jan 13, 2011 4:15 pm
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: Overall Story characteristics??
Replies: 5
Views: 4342

Re: Overall Story characteristics??

I think I now understand that you mean their functional importance is defined in terms of those characteristics... but I'm still not sure why.
by phillybudd
Jan 13, 2011 9:22 am
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: Overall Story characteristics??
Replies: 5
Views: 4342

Overall Story characteristics??

Chris, I just came across a passage in the Dramatica book that suddenly has me confused (I've read it several times, so am not sure why it took this long for me to get confused by it). In the section "Storyforming Structural Story Points" you discuss how the main and impact characters func...
by phillybudd
Jan 06, 2011 6:39 pm
Forum: Practical Dramatica
Topic: Help with Impulsive Responses
Replies: 4
Views: 4267

Re: Help with Impulsive Responses

Wow, really terrific and huge question! Although maybe you could get more specific. For example, you say "If he had Tourette’s Syndrome for example..." which leads me to think that isn't the real problem. If it is, a concern of Impulsive Responses would make perfect sense. On the other han...
by phillybudd
Dec 23, 2010 4:36 pm
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: How to Understand Impact Character Signposts?
Replies: 5
Views: 9300

Re: How to Understand Impact Character Signposts?

Hi Prodos, boy, have I struggled with this issue as well. But yes, I think you're right about "B". The impact character's purpose (dramatica-lly speaking) is always to affect, influence, change the main character. But then there is the "relationship" between them (the SS throughl...
by phillybudd
Dec 19, 2010 7:41 am
Forum: Practical Dramatica
Topic: Program summary
Replies: 2
Views: 2813

Re: Program summary

Check out this page: http://dramatica.com/theory/index.html I'd also recommend -- strongly -- that you get the book. You can download it free on that page as a PDF file, as well, but I believe that is not the most up to date version. It is also available from Amazon for the Kindle. Jeff
by phillybudd
Dec 13, 2010 9:08 pm
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: Forgiveness
Replies: 3
Views: 3274

Re: Forgiveness

You're welcome, hope it helps. By the way, a good place to just play and experiment with this idea is the Story Engine screen. And of course the questions I posed for each Concern were just examples of a thousand different ways to address that Concern, again, it just depends on what matters to you w...
by phillybudd
Dec 13, 2010 6:40 am
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: Forgiveness
Replies: 3
Views: 3274

Re: Forgiveness

Hi Peter, I think Chris would tell you, as he did me in this post from a while back: http://forums.screenplay.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1958 that "forgiveness" is a thematic subject, and can be approached from any of the thousands of storyforms in the way that best suits your purpose. S...
by phillybudd
Dec 09, 2010 4:45 pm
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: IC as antagonist issue
Replies: 2
Views: 3398

Re: IC as antagonist issue

Ah, OK. Hm.... I must have dreamed that then.... it occurred to me after making this post that it is was fine, since there is no real antagonist in part 1, only the impact character moving in that direction.

Thanks.
by phillybudd
Dec 02, 2010 2:54 pm
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: IC as antagonist issue
Replies: 2
Views: 3398

IC as antagonist issue

Chris, I am using a thinned down storyform for part 1 of my novel, which contains a lot of back story but does play a role in the overall plot -- and then part 2 is a full-fledged storyform. (Part 3 is mostly just denouement). The MC-Protagonist and IC in part 1 become IC-Protagonist and Antagonist,...
by phillybudd
Nov 19, 2010 7:31 am
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: basic question
Replies: 2
Views: 2991

Re: basic question

According to the theory, yes -- to make a full Grand Argument, all elements and variations must be present.
by phillybudd
Nov 18, 2010 4:55 pm
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: do i use all 64 variations and 64 elements
Replies: 3
Views: 3973

Re: do i use all 64 variations and 64 elements

Hey,

no, you can't get them all into a short story. If you want to write a Grand Argument Story (as Dramatica calls it) you really are talking about a full-length novel or screenplay.

The book does have a section on how to encorporate the Dramatica idea into short stories.
by phillybudd
Nov 17, 2010 4:38 am
Forum: Classics from the Archives
Topic: obligation vs. rationalization
Replies: 3
Views: 8146

Re: obligation vs. rationalization

Got it, thanks.
by phillybudd
Nov 11, 2010 4:27 am
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: OS Problem of Logic
Replies: 1
Views: 3048

Re: OS Problem of Logic

Maybe this isn't spam.... there might be a story idea in all that gibberish....
by phillybudd
Nov 05, 2010 4:53 pm
Forum: Classics from the Archives
Topic: obligation vs. rationalization
Replies: 3
Views: 8146

Re: obligation vs. rationalization

Chris, not sure if you're still answering question to this archive forum, but... would it be safe to say, then, that this inside/outside perspective applies to all dynamic pairs? I've been spending a lot of time with the book again but don't remember this point being made anywhere.

Jeff
by phillybudd
Oct 31, 2010 5:21 am
Forum: Practical Dramatica
Topic: Who would like to do a Dramatica embroidery exercise?
Replies: 0
Views: 2384

Who would like to do a Dramatica embroidery exercise?

I'd like to get a few people to take part in an embroidery exercise -- but even if only one other person wants to do it, I'm game. I was looking for a way to put the file somewhere that everyone could have access to it, but since decided it would make more sense to manage this just through email. I'...
by phillybudd
Oct 26, 2010 4:52 pm
Forum: Dramatica Theory
Topic: IC: "Do as I say, not as I do"
Replies: 2
Views: 3736

Re: IC: "Do as I say, not as I do"

Thanks. After posting this I feel a little embarrassed. The counter-argument (in this case, inaction) can be presented in a hundred different ways from any character at all. But the impact character embodies it. The fact that he is lying (as I said, he's prepping the MC for Proaction) isn't relevant...

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